Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (steptooslow) — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:41:14 GMT

airballer brought it into focus for me even more with the "you guys are certified teachers; you are smart" observation / statement of fact. we're making this too complicated. and when that happens, the smartest thing to do is go back to the Arizona Accord: Pursuing Victory With Honor. Here's a bit of it.

Arizona Accord

Preamble
At its best, athletic competition can hold intrinsic value for our society. It is a symbol of a great ideal: pursuing...

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (airballer) — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:27:46 GMT

I am reminded of a quote that I heard from a teacher too many years ago. "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind or proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof."

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (84sheepdog) — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:28:21 GMT

I am leaving for a baseball game, but I will respond in detail later as to why a meeting is still necessary. Again, the process is fine, it the coaches that don't show that are the problem.

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (airballer) — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:22:22 GMT

You have correctly identified the problem- blindly following the same old rule year after year despite the results. The fault is with ALL the members for not changing the procedure a long time ago. This should not be a "show up to vote for your guys rule," it should be a "who are the best kids rule despite the school that they attend." It doesn't seem that hard to me.

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (steptooslow) — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:48:29 GMT

Conference call. Video conference. Skype. GoToMeetingDotCom. Open the pod bay doors, HAL.

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (84sheepdog) — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:17:20 GMT

I am a small ball coach, but wanted to add to the explanation a little. First, there are posts that credit coaches and all their hard work in defense of missing the meeting, and posts trashing the coaches who attended for not fixing the problems on the spot and creating a better product. Seriously? The fault is entirely with member coaches who missed the meeting. I've been coaching for two decades and this problem goes back to the ACA days. You must be a member and attend the meeting...

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (airballer) — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 09:42:09 GMT

Actually, what I was hoping to hear from the assoc is something to the effect of, "we screwed up and have done so for a long time, but we have heard your near unanimous opinions and we will change our system. We will have a better system in place next year." But alas, nothing. Is a profound silence perhaps worse then a record of bad choices?

While this type of action has the reverse effect and probably hurts membership participation, I would think that making positive...

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (istatz) — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:20:01 GMT

Thank you WOW for saying what everyone on this blog is thinking even the people trying to defend the coaches association's decisions. For Davelyn, Amy, Morgan, Joy and Stephanie Douthit not to be on one of these teams is sad. They have worked very hard all year long (and since they were 10 years old in most cases) and to get to their senior season and not be allowed to participate in the "All Star" game. It is a sad comment on how this tournament is run. The coaches at this...

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (ballin99) — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:19:20 GMT

All I have to say is that this game will be so boring. How do you not have the Gatorade POY, the State POY, and the 3 seniors that were on the All-Arizona team, ...you might as well just have an alternates all star game because those are the real all stars. The coaches association will be sorry that this happened because no one will want to pay that much money to see a game without some of the major Arizona Players. Amy Patton, Joy Burke, Morgan Wholtman, and Davellyn Whyte should have been...

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (bballjerrod) — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:16:15 GMT

This is a joke. What is an All-Star game? It should have the All-Stars playing. The logic of the AZBCA is messed up. Once they realized only 8-10 coaches showed up for the meeting they should have re-evaluated the situation and discussed some type of absentee voting system and delayed the vote. I also think this system discrimiates against the coaches who live outside the Phoenix area. This is 2009!! You should open up the options for voting and allow coaches to vote by mail, fax,...

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (bluhorshu) — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:48:03 GMT

RAH
Wow. The coaches should be forced to be members of a group and aparently give up their spring break to get their kids on an all star team? And because they don't join the association they aren't committed. I have always sensed you have a true contempt for coaches, but the world isn't as small as you would think or like to believe. Maybe out your way on your side of town coaches don't care and aren't committed. You know I am a 5a person from the EV, and I use to...

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (RAH72) — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:32:05 GMT

Perhaps the coaches association should make said meeting mandatory for the coach or assistant to be present in order to be a member of their association. To deprive a worthy player of an All-Star game due to the coaches unwillingness to attend the selection meeting is totally unfair. In what appears to be an incentive to make the coaches attend their association meetings has backfired terribly and the girls are punished for their coaches' lack of commitment to them, the school, and the...

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (Coach1501) — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:44:08 GMT

BBcoach18
I would really like to see the association grow and be a voice for girls basketball. You guys did the right thing and went by the rules of the association in selecting the teams. Again it was unfortunate that it clashed with spring break. I believe that at the 5a level we are facing a huge problem with ad's and without a unified voice from coaches we will be getting a product that is substandard especially at the state tournament.

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (steptooslow) — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:06:53 GMT

bbcoach18, your explanation seems to be heartfelt, so I apologize for being slow on the uptake. What, exactly, is keeping the coaches in attendance from choosing players from other high schools, players from schools whose coaches are not in attendance at the meetings? It sounds like those players can certainly be nominated. Any coach doing due diligence and acting professionally would vote for a player generally regarded to be all-state by the media, opposing coaches and players alike.

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (airballer) — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:48:46 GMT

A well said explanation. However Wall St came up with all kinds of explanations for their conduct as well, but the end result is what we all see. The same problem has happened for this game for a number of years. So the process used was known in advance to be have flaws and hasn't been changed. As I said above, the process has led to such poor results over the years that I think that it has gotten to the point that if you had a daughter that was in fact one of the best players in the...

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (bbcoach18) — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:03:25 GMT

Coach 1501,
I would agree with you. The hope/goal of the AZ BB Coaches Association is to increase their numbers in the organization and attendance at the meeting, and do, as was stated many times at the meeting, what is best for kids. It is obvious from the list of players, that many of your best AZ girls basketball players were not included in the top 20. My point was not to blast the coaches not there, but to educate those on the process and why many of those kids were not named on...

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (Coach1501) — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:08:02 GMT

Let me rewrite what I originally stated. Basically, the reason for the poor turnout of coaches is because the meeting was held during spring break. I tried to get to the meeting from my vacation, but we had car problems. Many of the coaches that I talked to were unable to go because of previously made plans that revolved around family during spring break, but those that knew they couldn't be there did sent in nominations. It appears that those players were not able to be selected if their...

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (bbcoach18) — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:33:47 GMT

The process is as follows:
coaches who are members of the arizona basketball coaches association nominated first or second team all region players for the all star team. If you are not a member, you cannot nominate. It is the all star game sponsored by the AZ BB coaches association. Part of the problem is the lack of coaches who attended the coaches meeting last Saturday. In order to be selected as one of the participants, the coach had to be in attendance, or have a representative...

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (steptooslow) — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:05:27 GMT

It must be nice to live in your own little world. I know of no other vocation that is so public yet its practitioners feel no need to answer to the public whatsoever.

Re: what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (bluhorshu) — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:40:38 GMT

How do you think the alternates would do against their teams? That tells me that the alternates were nominated by coaches that weren't in attendance through some type of nomination. Are the coaches that are coaching the all star teams well represented with there players?

what a joke

feeds@yuku.com (goballin) — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:02:28 GMT

http://www.azbbcoaches.com/pages/allstar.html#Girls45