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goballin |
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hawkfan |
what a joke | ||
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This is worse than a joke. How in the world did someone pick these teams. Some of these kids I have never heard of. Congrats to those who made it but I am
not sure how this happened.
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AZcanuck |
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Well look at the coaches, then look at the starting lineups -- that's how it happened. The "coaches" involved in this fiasco should be
embarrassed for themselves, because they obviously picked these teams. This is so unfair I can't even begin to put my feelings into words. I see one of the
coaches has three of the girls from his own team plus his niece who plays for another school. There is a girl that doesn't even START on her high school
team!! The entire 5A1 Central Region has one player represented who was "chosen" over the region co-player of the year who just happens to be a
Senior, Republic/Trib All State and signed to play at a D1 school. I'd love to hear how they justify that. All of the people involved with this should be
held accountable and I guess that starts at the top with Art Hall. Let him know how you feel: arthall3@cox.net
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steptooslow |
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wow. any last shred of professionalism just went out the window. I second hawkfan, congrats to the girls. they are innocents in this. buts the adults . . .
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AZcanuck |
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There are 3 players from Raymond Kellis, 3 players from Mt. View, 3 players from Deer Valley and 3 players from Peoria on the AZ 4A/5A roster. I guess the
other 2 coaches didn't have as many Seniors on their squads this year, or hopefully just had more integrity.
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goballin |
what a joke | ||
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There are two or three they got right the rest is just not fair
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airballer |
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Perhaps this is just a continuation of the tradition. A couple years back they managed to come up with teams that did not have anyone that you had ever heard of before. It has probably gotten to the point that if you had a daughter that was in fact one of the best players in the state that you would not want her on the team because it would reflect adversely on her. Is coaching integrity is right up there with wallstreet? |
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bluhorshu |
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This is a senior only all-star game that was selected by coaches that are members of the assoc. Plus this meeting was on a Saturday of Spring Break for East
Valley schools. Coaches not only had to be members but they needed to be present. Also only first or second team all region players could get nominated.
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goballin |
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So your saying if your coach is not a member or dont show you cant get on the roster that no all-star game thats a crime
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bluhorshu |
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How do you think the alternates would do against their teams? That tells me that the alternates were nominated by coaches that weren't in attendance
through some type of nomination. Are the coaches that are coaching the all star teams well represented with there players?
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steptooslow |
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It must be nice to live in your own little world. I know of no other vocation that is so public yet its practitioners feel no need to answer to the public
whatsoever.
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bbcoach18 |
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The process is as follows:
coaches who are members of the arizona basketball coaches association nominated first or second team all region players for the all star team. If you are not a member, you cannot nominate. It is the all star game sponsored by the AZ BB coaches association. Part of the problem is the lack of coaches who attended the coaches meeting last Saturday. In order to be selected as one of the participants, the coach had to be in attendance, or have a representative sent on his/her behalf. With the 4A/5A girls, there were approximately 8-10 schools represented total. There were 20 girls nominated by those coaches. Those 20 were selected to the teams. The alternates were girls who were nominated via email by their coaches, but the coaches did not attend the meeting. Coaches were sent numerous emails regarding the meetings and the nomination process. They knew beforehand that if they were not in attendance, their players would not be selected. The girls who are listed as alternatives were added due to the fact that there were not enough coaches at the meeting for those girls to be selected. I would say this, as coaches trying to advance girls basketball in the state of Arizona, it is sad to say that out of approximately 90-100 4A and 5A girls basketball programs in the state, that we had less than 10% attendance at this meeting. As a coach of one of these all star teams, I take exception to the comment that I ought to be embarassed by this group of players that I selected. Please get your facts straight before you make allegations about "fiasco" and embarassment". This website is loaded with "inaccuracies", "I heard this", "this parent said this", and criticisms of high school athletes in a public forum. The coaches did not hand select their own players as you say, in spite of other players who are obviously deserving of all star status. The selection was made by coaches under the rules and regulations outlined prior to the meeting. As a member of the AZ BB Coaches Association, my hope is that in the future, our coaches attendance at this meeting increases, for the goals of insuring that the "best of the best" play in this game, but also for the advancement of girls basketball in the state of Arizona as a whole. I would also say this. If you have anything that you would like to speak about in reference to my comment here, I will not hide behind it or anything else. Contact Todd Nelson at 623-696-5721. I would say this, this website is a forum to celebrate girls basketball and the achievements of these young ladies in the sport of basketball. The rest of the stuff thrown out on this website is like "taking 2 steps forward, and 3 steps back". Let's try to move ahead to make it better for all these kids. This was the honest appraisal of the events of this all star selection from one in attendance. |
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Coach1501 |
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Let me rewrite what I originally stated. Basically, the reason for the poor turnout of coaches is because the meeting was held during spring break. I tried to
get to the meeting from my vacation, but we had car problems. Many of the coaches that I talked to were unable to go because of previously made plans that
revolved around family during spring break, but those that knew they couldn't be there did sent in nominations. It appears that those players were not able
to be selected if their coach wasn't present which is unfortunate. Hopefully next year there won't be a conflict.
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bbcoach18 |
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Coach 1501,
I would agree with you. The hope/goal of the AZ BB Coaches Association is to increase their numbers in the organization and attendance at the meeting, and do, as was stated many times at the meeting, what is best for kids. It is obvious from the list of players, that many of your best AZ girls basketball players were not included in the top 20. My point was not to blast the coaches not there, but to educate those on the process and why many of those kids were not named on the team as to stop the steady stream of inaccurate information regarding this topic . If you want to question the process, that is fine, but don't go and make accusations that there was "political wheelings and dealings" being done to keep certain kids off the team and put others on to benefit egos or programs. It just did not happen that way. |
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airballer |
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A well said explanation. However Wall St came up with all kinds of explanations for their conduct as well, but the end result is what we all see. The same problem has happened for this game for a number of years. So the process used was known in advance to be have flaws and hasn't been changed. As I said above, the process has led to such poor results over the years that I think that it has gotten to the point that if you had a daughter that was in fact one of the best players in the state that you would not want her on the team because it would reflect adversely on her. So many coaches dedicate so many hours over the year for practically no compensation because, for the most part, of their dedication to the kids. They all are certified teachers; they understand the need for kids to view the system as leading to a fair result. You would think that by now they could have come up with improvements. Is the present situation advancing girls basketball. In my view it probably isn't, and it makes it less likely to draw larger attendance. |
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steptooslow |
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bbcoach18, your explanation seems to be heartfelt, so I apologize for being slow on the uptake. What, exactly, is keeping the coaches in attendance from
choosing players from other high schools, players from schools whose coaches are not in attendance at the meetings? It sounds like those players can certainly
be nominated. Any coach doing due diligence and acting professionally would vote for a player generally regarded to be all-state by the media, opposing coaches
and players alike.
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BBcoach18
I would really like to see the association grow and be a voice for girls basketball. You guys did the right thing and went by the rules of the association in selecting the teams. Again it was unfortunate that it clashed with spring break. I believe that at the 5a level we are facing a huge problem with ad's and without a unified voice from coaches we will be getting a product that is substandard especially at the state tournament. |
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Perhaps the coaches association should make said meeting mandatory for the coach or assistant to be present in order to be a member of their association. To
deprive a worthy player of an All-Star game due to the coaches unwillingness to attend the selection meeting is totally unfair. In what appears to be an
incentive to make the coaches attend their association meetings has backfired terribly and the girls are punished for their coaches' lack of commitment to
them, the school, and the game itself.
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bluhorshu |
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RAH
Wow. The coaches should be forced to be members of a group and aparently give up their spring break to get their kids on an all star team? And because they don't join the association they aren't committed. I have always sensed you have a true contempt for coaches, but the world isn't as small as you would think or like to believe. Maybe out your way on your side of town coaches don't care and aren't committed. You know I am a 5a person from the EV, and I use to coach boys long ago. Now I have three daughters, and I can tell you the girls coaches on this side are anything but uncommitted (boys too). I would bet most of these coaches are working right now. Heck my oldest is going to a camp starting next week. I see the coaches and while maybe I don't agree with everything I certainly don't question their dedication and commitment. You know me I hate it when people take shots at people! Also I think this coaches association is new. When I was working with the boys there was the ACA I believe that did the all-star game. Maybe there could be some transition issues too. One other thing I read was that even if they were members they had to be there to get the kids on. I get that they want a good attendance at the meeting, but if a coach has a family vacation like was previously stated why can't the player be nominated and considered? I don't get that part of it. |
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bballjerrod |
what a joke | ||
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This is a joke. What is an All-Star game? It should have the All-Stars playing. The logic of the AZBCA is messed up. Once they realized only 8-10 coaches
showed up for the meeting they should have re-evaluated the situation and discussed some type of absentee voting system and delayed the vote. I also think
this system discrimiates against the coaches who live outside the Phoenix area. This is 2009!! You should open up the options for voting and allow coaches to
vote by mail, fax, email, whatever. These coaches are busy enough without having to give up another Saturday away from their family.
The point is to have the best kids playing in the game. The "rules are the rules" excuse is WEAK! If you were a coach and were in attendance, you had a duty to stand up for what is the right thing to do. What is this teaching our children? I would not feel very good as a coach to profit by this situation and have my players named to the all star team. If I were a coach, I would have not voted at all or at least put it on the record that I was not in favor of the voting system. Where have our values landed us?? I'm sorry for the parents and players who were affected by this. For what it's worth, it will not be an All-Star game. My solution: I'm not going to the game and I'm not taking my daughter or her club team to watch. |
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ballin99 |
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All I have to say is that this game will be so boring. How do you not have the Gatorade POY, the State POY, and the 3 seniors that were on the All-Arizona
team, ...you might as well just have an alternates all star game because those are the real all stars. The coaches association will be sorry that this happened
because no one will want to pay that much money to see a game without some of the major Arizona Players. Amy Patton, Joy Burke, Morgan Wholtman, and Davellyn
Whyte should have been the first names on the teams. This is a HUGE JOKE.
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